{"id":1174,"date":"2021-03-02T16:59:48","date_gmt":"2021-03-02T20:59:48","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.middleagedcoolkids.com\/podcast\/?p=1174"},"modified":"2021-03-02T16:59:48","modified_gmt":"2021-03-02T20:59:48","slug":"mack-105-elisa-lam-and-the-cecil-hotel","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.middleagedcoolkids.com\/podcast\/2021\/03\/02\/mack-105-elisa-lam-and-the-cecil-hotel\/","title":{"rendered":"MACK #105: Elisa Lam And The Cecil Hotel"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_2635\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-1174-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"https:\/\/www.middleagedcoolkids.com\/mp3s\/MACKPodcast_105_128kbps.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/www.middleagedcoolkids.com\/mp3s\/MACKPodcast_105_128kbps.mp3\">https:\/\/www.middleagedcoolkids.com\/mp3s\/MACKPodcast_105_128kbps.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.middleagedcoolkids.com\/mp3s\/MACKPodcast_105_128kbps.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/www.middleagedcoolkids.com\/podcast\/?powerpress_pinw=1174-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/www.middleagedcoolkids.com\/mp3s\/MACKPodcast_105_128kbps.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"MACKPodcast_105_128kbps.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.middleagedcoolkids.com\/podcast\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p>[All links, photos and videos can be seen within the original post on MACKPodcast.com]<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-1182\" src=\"https:\/\/www.middleagedcoolkids.com\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/o-ELISA-LAM-facebook-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"176\" height=\"305\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.middleagedcoolkids.com\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/o-ELISA-LAM-facebook-1.jpg 545w, https:\/\/www.middleagedcoolkids.com\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/o-ELISA-LAM-facebook-1-208x360.jpg 208w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 176px) 100vw, 176px\" \/>Recently Netflix put out a 4 part &#8220;documentary series&#8221; about Elisa Lam and the events surrounding her disappearance as well as her tragic end at The Cecil Hotel in Los Angeles.<\/p>\n<p>This episode \u2014 and probably these show notes too \u2014 contain a ton of spoilers. If you would prefer to watch the documentary first, just go ahead and save this show for later.<\/p>\n<p>Elisa Lam was a young and vibrant 21 year old who in a lot of ways was like many other 21 year olds. She went to college, she questioned her place in this world, <a href=\"https:\/\/nouvelle-nouveau.tumblr.com\/post\/40401259146\/planning-planning-planning-for-the-west-coast\">she wanted to travel<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/nouvelle-nouveau.tumblr.com\/post\/41265561547\/i-got-lost-in-the-airport-and-missed-my-connecting\">So travel she did<\/a>. In 2013 she planned a west coast trip that would bring her to San Diego, Los Angeles and San Francisco. While staying in <a href=\"https:\/\/nouvelle-nouveau.tumblr.com\/post\/41786151020\/i-have-arrived-in-laland-and-there-is-a\">downtown Los Angeles&#8217; Cecil Hotel<\/a> Elisa missed one of her daily phone calls with her mother. This missed phone call triggered not only a manhunt and investigation by the LAPD, but also a virtual investigation by a group of people online who were members of a community referred to as &#8220;web sleuths.&#8221; The LAPD released a 4 minute video of Elisa in an elevator at the Cecil Hotel in hopes that someone would recognize her and come forward with some information.<\/p>\n<p>The internet and more specifically, the web sleuths,\u00a0 could not get enough of the video. Was Elisa speaking with someone? Why doesn&#8217;t the elevator door close? Who is she gesturing to? Who is she hiding from? Whose shoe is that? What&#8217;s up with the garbled time code at the bottom of the video?<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed wp-block-embed-youtube is-type-video is-provider-youtube epyt-figure\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\"><div class=\"epyt-video-wrapper\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\"  id=\"_ytid_32012\"  width=\"800\" height=\"600\"  data-origwidth=\"800\" data-origheight=\"600\"  data-relstop=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/3TjVBpyTeZM?enablejsapi=1&autoplay=0&cc_load_policy=0&cc_lang_pref=&iv_load_policy=1&loop=0&rel=0&fs=1&playsinline=0&autohide=2&theme=dark&color=white&controls=1&disablekb=0&\" class=\"__youtube_prefs__  no-lazyload\" title=\"YouTube player\"  allow=\"fullscreen; accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen data-no-lazy=\"1\" data-skipgform_ajax_framebjll=\"\"><\/iframe><\/div><\/div><\/figure>\n<p>These web sleuths were mostly well-meaning, but their inability to separate fact from fiction as well as their eagerness to follow some very vague &#8220;clues&#8221; down a rabbit hole \u2014 although they made no rational sense \u2014 led to some <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ranker.com\/list\/elisa-lam-theories\/lyra-radford\">very far out there theories regarding Elisa<\/a>. Beyond that, their sleuthing also led to a Mexican Death Metal musican, Morbid, having his social media accounts shut down (early cancel culture rears its ugly head) and his eventual attempted suicide.<\/p>\n<p>There are quite literally thousands of videos about Elisa Lam&#8217;s disappearance on youtube. Some are rundowns of her timeline in Los Angeles. Some include theories as to what <strong><em>really<\/em><\/strong> happened to her in the hotel. And then there are the videos from internet psychic mediums who claim to be channeling Elisa and revealing the truth of that night.<\/p>\n<p>This last bunch, my God. They are repulsive.<\/p>\n<p>A quick check of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.rottentomatoes.com\/tv\/crime_scene_the_vanishing_at_the_cecil_hotel\">rotten tomatoes<\/a> shows you that this is not a very well-received documentary. I&#8217;m not sure it deserves these really low ratings from the critics and the audience. But! I will admit there are parts of this series that are not great.<\/p>\n<p>In one blog post Netflix omits a sentence, most likely because they think it will make Elisa less of a sympathetic character. How about you let the audience decide, Netflix?<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-large wp-image-1178 alignnone\" src=\"https:\/\/www.middleagedcoolkids.com\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/tumblerpost-actual.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"420\" height=\"300\" \/> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-large wp-image-1179 alignnone\" src=\"https:\/\/www.middleagedcoolkids.com\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/tumblerpost-netflix.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"420\" height=\"300\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Why can&#8217;t it be that Mexican and Italian men dig her look? Maybe she&#8217;s had this happen to her quite a few times. She&#8217;s not falsely accusing someone of rape. She&#8217;s just making an observation. It&#8217;s <strong><em>so<\/em><\/strong> not a big deal to leave it in there. By taking it out Netflix made it a much bigger deal. For me anyway.<\/p>\n<p>One of the youtubers mentions in the doc that there are some interesting similarities between Elisa Lam&#8217;s case and the movie &#8220;Dark Water.&#8221; Dave reminded me that <a href=\"https:\/\/tunein.com\/podcasts\/Comedy-Podcasts\/The-Dave-And-Shecky-Show-p1032068\/?topicId=116743574\">we actually reviewed Dark Water 15 years or so ago on another podcast we used to do<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Despite the low ratings and the details they left out, I personally would recommend watching this documentary series. It&#8217;s very well produced and some of the interviews are pretty riveting. Although this is a netflix series, I was able to find this series online without having a subscription to that service.<\/p>\n<p>Here are some links I promised to put here in the show notes:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.autopsyfiles.org\/reports\/Other\/lam,%20elisa_report.pdf\">Autopsy<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/nouvelle-nouveau.tumblr.com\/archive\/filter-by\/text\">tumblr<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/etherfields.blogspot.com\/\">blogspot<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Thanks for listening! See you next time!<\/p>\n<p>XOXOX<\/p>\n<p>Shecky<\/p>\n<p>PS <a href=\"https:\/\/www.middleagedcoolkids.com\/podcast\/category\/movie-review\/\">Be sure to check out some of our other movie related podcasts<\/a>!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[All links, photos and videos can be seen within the original post on MACKPodcast.com] Recently Netflix put out a 4<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":1177,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[128,127],"tags":[485,486,481,482,484,483],"class_list":["post-1174","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-conspiracy","category-movie-review","tag-blogspot","tag-dark-water","tag-elisa-lam","tag-the-cecil-hotel","tag-tumblr","tag-web-sleuths"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.7 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>MACK #105: Elisa Lam And The Cecil Hotel | MACK | middle aged cool kids<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"MACK [Middle Aged Cool Kids] | In this episode Dave &amp; Shecky discuss Elisa Lam. 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